Xinshun 1730

Chapter 1437 Disagreement ([-])

As for the emperor, although it is obvious that the emperor cannot be classified into the category of the real school.

But at least on the issue of whether immigrants are [China's pressure relief valve] or [the backup of blood groups], the emperor is a "conservative".

After all, the Son of Heaven is the Son of Heaven of the world, but China comes first and then the world, and the Great Emperor of China is the Son of Heaven.Even if it is said that the world obviously includes Korea, Vietnam, and Ryukyu, it is impossible for the Son of Heaven to consider issues from the perspective of Korea, Vietnam, and Ryukyu.

The truth is the same.

Including, would the people of Dashun accept people from North Korea, Vietnam, or Ryukyu to be emperors?

At least, this is impossible in Dashun.

Because one of the foundations of the founding of Dashun was related to Donglu, the rebellious suzerain.

And one of the reasons why Liu Yu established the Korean state and made a breakthrough in the suzerainty system to establish a new suzerainty system was that some literati and bureaucrats in North Korea used old beeps like "the emperor is out of shock". After being exaggerated, the hidden meaning of "Emperor out of shock" aroused great resentment within Dashun——Dashun's reforms are reforms, and it is one thing to cause some scholar-bureaucrats to be dissatisfied. It is another matter that Dashun has already perished, the emperor is out of the world, the east will have the emperor, and China is only a part of the world under the emperor's rule.

The emperor may not care about such things as righteousness and legal principles.But with the emperor's "simple" view of the emperor, he must be closer to the "conservative" thinking.

There is China first, and then there is Tianxia; it is not that there is Tianxia first, and then China is divided.

First the emperor of China, and then the emperor of the world.

The emperor is not a fool.

Dashun's ruling territory has actually reached its limit under the technical level at this time.

Dashun participated in World War I before, and interacted with the group of "North American powerful" separatists in North America, and the emperor was not unaware.

The emperor's attitude towards emigration is naturally more inclined to relieve pressure, and the ultimate goal is to complete the transformation of the local provinces and achieve the kind of industrial development he said that will fly into the homes of ordinary people in the future.

Supporting emigration is for self-government.

Supporting industry and commerce, or for self-government.

It's not that the emperor didn't know about immigration, nor was he ignorant of Liu Yu's attitude towards industry, commerce and agriculture. He was even more aware of the disagreement between Liu Yu and the ancient Confucian faction on the issue of "whether non-agriculture can accommodate enough population".

Now that the emperor is asking this question, it is nothing more than lack of confidence in the future.

Many people in the Practical School have full confidence in the future described by Liu Yu, because they have devoted themselves to the practice of change.Labor, war, and exploration have deepened their understanding of the world where "industry and commerce can accommodate a large enough population".

However, the emperor, after all, still did not participate in the social labor under the dawn of the new era, and his understanding of society was still in a foggy state.

The question asked by the emperor also mentioned the immigration process in the Songsu and Shandong areas, and the meaning is very clear.

He believes that reforms can be completed in these pioneering areas, and the industry and commerce will continue to develop to accommodate enough people for employment.

However, even these pioneering regions—monopolizing overseas trade, possessing advantages in shipping, easy to emigrate to the sea, relatively the most developed economy, and a good foundation for industrial and commercial development—still need to rely on large-scale outward immigration to solve the problem. some problems.

Does hinterland such as Henan, Hubei, and Hunan really have a future?In other words, is there really a future in which industry and commerce develop to accommodate enough population?
The transportation is inconvenient, just put it there.Shipping, now the mode of transport with the lowest logistics cost, is the most convenient mode of transport for bulk goods, and the mode of transport with the least loss in this era.

The lack of space for relocation is also here.At the very least, Shaanxi can also cultivate Mongolia and the Western Regions.In hinterland areas such as Hunan, Henan, Hubei, and Anhui, the population density of surrounding provinces may not be lower than theirs, so where can they move?

Insufficient market, this problem is more serious.The raw materials of the first-developing regions, together with the raw materials transported by sea, can almost meet the needs of the entire world market.

It seems that these can also be attributed to land issues.The lack of land left little market inside, at least very small.However, the local handicraft industry is too developed, and the small-scale peasant economy under the pressure of insufficient land is extremely strong-this is forced out, there is as much arable land as in North America, and it is not that there is no household wool textile industry, but the process of being washed away in the end is not unbearable. The degree of pain.So much so that after the collapse, in the anti-British movement, there was a form of movement that encouraged "men to farm and women to weave, not to use British cloth"-and in the inland with insufficient arable land, those below the self-cultivator obviously could not exchange enough food Cloth, etc., can only choose the form of men farming and women weaving.

Even, I know that the new broadloom is really beautiful, good-looking, and easy to cut.But, I can't afford it, and I can't be naked, so I have no choice but to grow some cotton at home, and let my wife spin the cotton into yarn and weave cloth at home to hide my shame.

After all, Dashun is a traditional feudal empire.

Each province is part of the empire.

It is impossible to imitate the Irish model of the United Kingdom. Ireland can only herd sheep to provide wool for the United Kingdom, and let the landlords in Hubei grow cotton on their own enclosures to meet the needs of Songsu's textile industry.

The consequences of growing cash crops are dire.At the end of the Qing Dynasty, because the "economic" value of opium was too high, it directly led to a large-scale famine that spread across the country.

Some areas in Shandong are transitioning to planting cash crops, such as peanuts and tobacco, provided that Shandong is close to the sea.Shipping costs are extremely low, and Dashun's navy controls the grain from Japan to Southeast Asia.

As for Henan, given the current traffic conditions, transportation capacity, and logistics costs...it is too unrealistic to expect to eat food from overseas.

The food problem in Dashun is somewhat similar to the food problem in the 80s of the Soviet Union.

Does Dashun have food?
Yes, how could it not?
Japan, North Korea, Nanyang, Siam, India, etc. are all Dashun's sphere of influence, and they can all export grain.Even North Korea, which is not as good as Dashun per capita, relies on the official usury of the rice system, and the official trade with Dashun is also a large amount of grain.

Even, including the west coast of North America and the surrounding area of ​​Maple Bay, it is also a top-quality wheat producing area.

Food, a lot.a lot of.

The problem is that there is a lot of food produced, but the poor transportation and logistics conditions make it impossible for the produced food to go where it should go.

For example, is Dashun rich now?
Very rich, no shortage of silver.

So can the silver in Dashun treasury buy grain?

Of course, you can buy it, and the warships are within the scope of the warship. You can buy food with silver, and you can buy as much as you want.

And once, for example, in Kaifeng and other places, there are catastrophes and famines.Is there any shortage of food there?Obviously missing again.

Because it can't be shipped.

Relief in coastal areas is the easiest at this time.

After the Grand Canal was abolished, even disaster relief along the canal became a headache.

The emperor's doubts on this issue finally came down to a question.

"I know Aiqing's theory of 'the total amount of food is enough, so there is no difference between people doing agriculture or doing business, business is just a way of distributing food'."

"The logic seems to be correct."

"It's just that, like the coast of Shandong, Aiqing can encourage the people to grow tobacco, long-lived fruit and other things. These lands that are supposed to produce grain do not need to produce grain. They can trade tobacco in Nanyang, North Korea, Kanto and other places, and then ship it to the port for sale. "

"As for Henan and other places... even if we talk about the development of industry and commerce, such as weaving, we don't mention where to sell it. Does that mean growing cotton? And if Henan grows cotton, how will Henan's food be solved?"

"If it cannot be solved, it means that cotton cannot be grown. Then, isn't industry and commerce like a tree without roots and water without a source? How can industry and commerce be developed without raw materials?"

"I can't grow it myself, and there is no convenient way of transportation. It is also inconvenient to transport overseas cotton and dyeing to China."

"How to develop business and industry?"

Speaking of this, the emperor waved his hand and said: "I don't want to hear the truth today, but just what to do. I don't want the ministers to debate whether to develop industry and commerce. What I'm confused about now is what you said The future of industrial and commercial development...is it only applicable to Songsu, Shandong, Jiangsu, Zhejiang and other places? Or is it applicable to the whole world?"

"If applicable, how to use it?"

Liu Yu has also considered this issue.

If there is a way, then of course there is a way.That requires a very strong national power to carry out deployment and development, which can achieve the start of industrialization that blooms everywhere.

But obviously, Dashun cannot do this.

And since this cannot be achieved, Dashun itself is essentially in a state of "ruling but not governing". The ability to regulate the economy was almost zero before, relying entirely on spontaneous development.

The emperor is not a fool, he is also an old fritter who has dealt with political affairs for decades, so he is not so easy to be fooled.

If the point is not mentioned, I am afraid that the emperor will not be able to believe in the future of the continued development of industry and commerce.

Even speaking, looking at it now, the emperor's attitude still hopes to use the improvement of technology to maintain the stability of the small peasant economy.

However, if he could name a seemingly feasible future, it would be possible for the emperor to make another choice.

It is the emperor's business whether to choose that road or not.

But there is only one way, and there are two ways to choose, that is another matter.

As the emperor said, this matter is not a matter of great reason, but a matter of technical governance policy.

To put it simply, based on the current transportation conditions, can Fusang's grain be counted in Dashun's "total grain output"?

If it is calculated, in theory, there is enough food in Henan after the average per capita, so if Henan has a large area of ​​cotton, anyway, the per capita food is enough, okay?
Obviously, no, because doing this would really cause big trouble.

Something big must happen.

When calculating the per capita, even if you don’t consider other things, at least you have to consider that there is no portal now, and you can’t send North American food directly to Henan. This per capita is meaningless.Based on this per capita, it can be deduced in theory that some places in Dashun can completely grow cotton and other cash crops; but in practice, the opium problem in the late Qing Dynasty is very easy to occur, resulting in constant famine in various provinces—the countermeasures of eliminating opium Human attributes, opium can also be regarded as a kind of economic crop, the reason is the same.

(End of this chapter)